List of Interviews with Clickable Links

The following are podcast interviews I have done, beginning in early May of 2022. The interviews can be heard by clicking the links provide.

(I am grateful for the help of my friend, Forest Jones, in preparing the summaries of the various interviews.)

OneConsciousness Deep Conversations Podcast – Jeff Krisman – A Conscious Conversation with Andy Schmookler – May 10,2022.

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • How a personal revelation began a lifetime of research into the human condition.
  • Why the move into civilization unleashed forces that humans did not choose and still do not control.
  • The difference between biologically evolved ecosystems and human civilization.
  • The kind of character that prevails in intersocietal anarchy where there is no possibility of any order to govern the interactions among the “actors.”
  • The four choices that the peaceful have when confronted with an aggressive neighbor, the Spirit of the Warlord.
  • How the trauma and brokenness repeat in societies without control or restraint for generations.
  • Why our capacity for innovation combined with this trauma assured that we would eventually create the capacity to destroy ourselves.
  • Why we continue to be unable to see and confront these patterns of power and brokenness to create the good world we can envision.
  • How these forces can be seen in all of our patterns of intersocietal and interpersonal behaviors today.

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The Salon—Deep Conversations – Jeff Krisman – A Deep Conversation with Andy Schmookler May 27, 2022.

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • How the movement to civilization unleashed forces of anarchy that humans did not choose and still do not control.
  • How in the 1990’s the GOP gathered together two streams of brokenness into one party: White Supremacy and Corporate greed.
  • Why this is unlike any other time.
  • How good people are pulled into service of brokenness and the will to champion wholeness is lost.
  • GOP forces of wholeness and good character are now unable to confront the forces of brokenness that has taken it over.
  • The two forces that must be seen as systemic and in play since the beginning of civilization.

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The Salon–Deep Conversations – Jeff Krisman – 3rd Conversation With Andy Schmookler–His Experiences And Reflections On The Human Experience Of Realm Of The Sacred – June 03,2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • What Andy means by the Realm of the Sacred
  • Integrating and explaining the unexplainable, an evolutionary, deep time perspective.
  • How humans have had these capacities for revelation and how those capacities add value to societies and humanity overall.
  • How three experiences impacted life’s work.
  • How these revelations continue to provide insight and fruit still.
  • Discussion of the many efforts by Andy to develop rationally the substance gained from these revelations to convey to a secular audience.

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The Salon—Deep Conversations  – Jeff Krisman – 4th Conversation With Andy Schmookler -A Deep dive into the  Systemic Nature of America’s Crisis – June 10, 2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • How the Republican party moved political divisions from differences fomented with half-truths to pure political warfare based on lies.
  • The many efforts Andy made to bridge the divide and guide conversations that would heal.
  • How the choice for antagonism as political speech moved from the top down and poisoned our political discourse.
  • Why evil rises among people.
  • How we all are impacted by this turn in political discourse.
  • The need for Liberal America and Democrats to hold the Republican Party to account.

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The Salon—Deep Conversations  – Jeff Krisman – 5th Conversation With Andy Schmookler – June 17, 2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • Why Anarchy and the dynamics of the selection for power dominate our histories and our current choices.
  • How Anarchy begets war and war begets trauma and brokenness that perpetuates generation after generation.
  • Four ways brokenness is spread through a culture.
  • How adherence to a Constitution controls power by limiting who, how, and how long officials may exercise power.
  • How the need for certainty explains irrational behaviors.
  • The two things that any civilizing creature need to realize to assure its future success.
  • What perspectives and choices are needed by as many people as possible right now?

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The #CoffeeTime Show – Noah Kinsey –Episode 51: Dr Andrew Schmookler, PhD – May 9, 2022.

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • How the movement to civilization unleashed forces of anarchy that humans did not choose and still do not control.
  • Why anarchy leads to selection for power. Why selection for power is the source of human suffering and ugliness in our history. How this is not human nature writ large, but wields outsized influence.
  • Why wealth accumulation, in general, does not create bad behavior, but policies that allow money in politics do not align with human preferences at large.
  • How the anarchy created by the invention of civilization requires a commitment to order.
  • The two types of disorder created by civilization.
  • How to face the disheartening state of US politics.

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Politics Done Right – Egberto Willies – Why Democrats Have Not Better Protected the Nation – May 11, 2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • Is there a sect within the Democratic Party that is stopping the progressive wing’s actions?
  • What are the four problems with Liberal Culture that are standing in the way of our nation’s greater progress and success?
  • What are the Democrats missing when they confront the GOP?
  • Why Democratic control of House, Senate, and White House have not translated into more changes?

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Politics done Right -Egberto Willies – Does Evolution make a more Humane Human – June 12, 2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

·         How the movement to civilization unleashed forces of anarchy that humans did not choose and still do not control.

·         How does civilization differ from the natural order in flocks, packs, ant hills, and bee hives?

·         How humans were shaped by evolution to be attracted to actions and technologies that serve the thriving of live and the nature around us. 

·         How anarchy is the only possible situation when moving to create a new way of life using civilization and why it occupies and outsized influence on our history and present situation.

·         How the choices of intersocietal interaction are limited and cause a selection for power over with the emergence and perpetuation of the Spirt of the Gangster.

·         Is Capitalism itself the Spirit of the Gangster or is it neutral and impacted by this force?

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The With Jay Burke Show – Episode 12: Dr. Andy Schmookler Part 1: The Conservative Forces of Brokenness – June 21, 2022.

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • The importance of seeing things whole.
  • A secular explanation of the battle between the forces of good and evil.
  • How in the 1990’s the GOP gathered together two streams of brokenness into one party: White Supremacy and Corporate greed.
  • Why this is unlike any other time in American history.
  • Why this is not like the rise of fascism in Germany or how slavery created the conditions for the Civil War.
  • How conservatives naturally subordinate to top-down leadership which creates this problem where they can go off the rails together.
  • Why the GOP positions on Guns and Abortion are a madness and show a desire the fight forever.
  • How the current supreme court is now an adjunct of the GOP and may bring us decisions unlike any we have seen before.

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Let’s Have this Conversation – Kevin McShan – A better human story May 23 2022

Topics covered / questions answered:

  • Why Trump is a symptom, not a cause of the GOP’s war on liberals and strident divisiveness in US politics.
  • How the Russian invasion of Ukraine illustrates the Spirit of the Gangster and the imposition on the whole when one actor chooses that Spirit.
  • Factors of societal evolution that have led to political polarization and degradation of civil discourse.
  • Three things that may change the fate of the 2022 mid-term elections.
  • Why the Democrats have not achieved their goals better, despite appearing to control of all three branches of federal government.
  • Why it is vital that the Spirit that has taken over the GOP be fought and defeated.

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